SEVEN THUNDERS HERESIES

EXPOSED 2008

Heretical Articles Nos. 753 to 762

 

CHAPTER TEN

 

The suggestions of Dr. Vayle on the 7th seal/7 thunders are classified as heresies. They are linked to the major error on the same subject which he injected into the C.A.B., page 327. They are more erroneous and they must be exposed since Pastor Kocourek has done him this great dishonour in bringing my personal discourse with him to the public.

If God will grant Dr. Vayle grace to acknowledge that his suggestions are wrong on this vital subject of the 7 thunders, I will add such facts to this work, with great honor to him as an aged man of 94 years. This will bring great deliverance to many message believers around the world. I am not very optimistic of this as long as Pastor Kocourek is in control and answers questions for Dr. Vayle in a fanatical manner. Nevertheless, Dr. Vayle has expressed enough to disqualify his suggestions as speculations which lack revelation. In the first church age heresies started as sayings: “the deeds of the Nicolaitans”, and later became established doctrines, which are yet the foundation of the Catholic Church. Many can say that Dr. Vayle did not mean to formulate heresies, and that may be true. But we must take into consideration that these things are on Kocourek’s and Dr. Vayle’s website. How many souls are wrongly influenced by his suggestions? Therefore they are heresies. It would have been more acceptable if such suggestions were confined to Dr. Vayle’s church. But it is totally unacceptable for it to be published internationally. By this exposition, God has allowed both these brothers to know, as Dr. Vayle so humbly expressed that he desired to know. I would like to see a further display of this humility that was expressed in all his suggestions.

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                Quote Dr. Lee Vayle: …What's the seven thunders?" I don't have an understanding to give you all of it. (Lee Vayle  Godhead   Godhead #6).

 

Quote Dr. Lee Vayle: …and the Seventh Seal, that was to be broken to the public. That was in a three-fold manner. Now you tell me if the Rapture is not in a three fold manner.  "Well, I don't know if I've got the right to compare it that close, but I'm just interested in knowing."  I'm interested in knowing, if it wasn't on December 4, 1965 that the Seventh Seal was broken to the public. At least the tremendous revelation of the Rapture was part of the Seventh Seal. (Lee Vayle  Rapture   Rapture #3).

 

                 Quote Dr. Lee Vayle: …I believe I can prove to you by Bro. Branham's own words that the Rapture is the Seventh Seal. I believe I can show you where it was revealed to the public. That's my understanding. I'm not trying to preach a revelation on a revelation; just trying to tell you what I believe, what he taught. I could be wrong. Let's wait and see. (Lee Vayle  Rapture   Rapture #3)

 

Dr. Vayle has already agreed that his interpretations that he has given above are presumptuous. That means to venture without authority. I will therefore quote God’s authority, W. M. B., on the subject.

 

 

Heretical Article No. 753: The revelation of Melchisedec was part or one of the seven thunders.

 

Quote Dr. Lee Vayle: Now in this message, "Who Is This Melchisedec," Bro. Branham placed the identifying of Melchisedec, or his identification of Melchisedec, as an end time revelation under the Seventh Seal.

… Bro. Branham states that this is only found under the Seventh Seal, and definitely is either one or a part of one of the Seven Thunders. (Lee Vayle  Melchisedec   Melchisedec #1).

 

                E.O.D.H. Answer:  A. The prophet did not indicate that Melchisedec was under the 7th seal, but since the opening of the seals, all the mysteries are revealed, with indication of the mystery of Melchisedec. Thus the prophet was erroneously quoted by Dr. Vayle. His suggestion is wrong.

 

                Quote W.M.B.: 30 Think of this great Person, of how great this Man must be. And now, the question is: "Who is this Man?" Theologians has had different ideas, but since the opening of the Seven Seals, the mysterious Book that's been mysterious to us... According to Revelations 10:1-7, all the mysteries that's wrote in this Book that's been hid down through the age of the reformers is supposed to be brought out into view by the angel of the last church age. (Who is this Melchisedec 65-0221E).

 

                B. The prophet never identified which seal, neither did he say anything about it hiding under the seven unknown thunders. We positively state that this revelation of Melchisedec preached by the prophet in 1965 was not a thunder or part of a thunder, because the prophet said the seventh seal/seven thunders was not opened, nor was it revealed to him.

 

 

Heretical Article No. 754: The mystery of the seven thunders are contained in the mysteries revealed by Revelation 10: 7.

 

Quote Dr. Vayle:  But in the days of the voice of the seventh messenger when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God (What mystery? What's under the Thunders is going to become unsealed. It's going to be finished. (Lee Vayle  Melchisedec   Melchisedec #1).

 

E.O.D.H. Answer: This is a popular heresy. The prophet interpreted the above scripture in a different manner and taught contrary to what Dr. Vayle is saying, along with many other message followers. His teachings are that the seventh angel was to reveal all the mysteries that were written in the Bible; which excludes the seven thunders, because they were not written in the Bible.

 

WRITTEN MYSTERY DIFFERENT FROM SEVEN THUNDERS

 

Quote W.M.B.: Page 37-3   102 …"And in the days of the voice of the seventh angel all this mystery that's written within should be finished." It should be taken care of in that day. Now, do you see what I mean? Are you following me? Then is the time for the seven voices of Revelations 10 to be revealed. When the Book is finished, there's only one thing left, and that is the seven mysterious voices of thunder that was wrote on the backside of the Book that John was forbidden to write... Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. It's on the backside. When a book is complete... Now, He didn't say on the front side; He said on the backside. After it's all done completed, then these seven thunder voices is the only thing that is stuck to the Book, that's not revealed. It's not even written in the Book. (Sirs Is This The Time 30/12/62).

 

SEVENTH ANGEL TO OPEN SIX-SEAL MYSTERY

 

Quote: 270 The seventh angel was to open the six-seal mystery. (Proving His Word 64-0816).

 

 

Heretical Article No. 755: The seven thunders and the seals are the same thing.

 

Quote Dr. Lee Vayle:  … What about those Thunders? They're in there… they were in the Book, because the Thunders and the Seals were the same thing.

                …Now this messenger of Malachi 4 and Rev 10:7 is going to do two things. According to Malachi 4, he'll turn the hearts of the children to the fathers. Two: he'll reveal the mysteries of the seven thunders in Revelation 10 which are the revelations contained in the seven seals. (That's exactly what the prophet said.) (Lee Vayle  Rapture   Rapture #4).

               

E.O.D.H. Answer: This statement is inconsistent with the teachings of the prophet. If this statement was true, that would mean that the horse riders, which are the antichrist spirit, are thunders. The thunders are not the coming of the antichrist. It is the coming of Christ. The thunders and the seals are not the same thing. The prophet said they are different. Dr. Vayle quoted his error on the seven thunders, injected into the C.A.B. to support this heresy. Two wrongs don’t make a right. The prophet, in opposition to this heresy, said:

 

Quote W.M.B.: 75-3  {49} ... These Seven Seals has the Book sealed. See?... The Book is absolutely a sealed Book until the Seven Seals is broken. It is sealed up with Seven Seals. Now, that's a different from the Seven Thunders. (The Breach 63-0317E).

 

 

Heretical article No. 756: The seventh seal was opened in secret in 1963 by the prophet.

 

Quote Dr. Vayle: Most people don't even know the Seventh Seal was opened. Bro. Branham said it was open, but there's silence. But he said, "It's open, but not open to the public." And then he sneaks one in; "Rev 10:1-7 is the Seventh Seal." People, are writing me letters saying, "Oh, it's not open. It's not open." Well it is open! Rev 10:1-7 is the Seventh Seal! It's an interpolation; it opens the whole book. (Lee Vayle  Godhead   Godhead #7).

 

                E.O.D.H. Answer: That is not true. The prophet of God said it was not opened, he did not reveal it, but when it starts it will be a total secret. Dr. Vayle is absolutely wrong and the prophet is right.

 

THE SEVENTH SEAL WAS NOT OPENED, HE DID NOT REVEAL IT

 

Quote W.M.B.:  564-2  {301}  …So just remember, the Seventh Seal, the reason it was not opened (See?), the reason It did not reveal it, no one should know about it.

… Notice now, for the end of time message this Seal, after all... He--He's revealed all the six Seals, but it don't say nothing about the Seventh. And the end time Seal, when it starts, will be absolutely a total secret according to the Bible. (The seventh seal 63-0324E).

 

Quote: 575-6  {392}... There'll be seven voices of these thunders that will reveal the great revelation at that time.

... If we don't know it, and …it won't be knowed till that time, but it will be revealed in that day, in the hour that it's supposed to be revealed in.

… this Seventh Seal cannot be broke to the public until that hour arrives. (The Seventh Seal 63-0324e).

 

 

WHAT THIS GREAT SECRET IS, I DO NOT KNOW

 

Quote: 567-1 {322} Now, notice. So help me, by God I tell the truth, that these are spiritually discerned to me (See?), discerned by the Holy Spirit. And by every one of them, has identified his place in the Bible.

Now, what this great secret is that lays beneath this Seal, I do not know. I don't know it. I couldn't make it out. I couldn't tell it, just what it and just what it said. But I know that it was them seven thunders uttering themselves right close together, just banging seven different times, and it unfolded into something else that I seen. Then when I seen that, I looked for the interpretation that flew across there, and I couldn't make it out. That's exactly right, friend. See? The hour isn't quite yet for it. (The seventh seal 63-0324E).

 

 

Heretical Article No. 757: Revelation 10: 1 is not the Lion of the tribe of Judah.

 

Quote Dr. Vayle: (1) And I saw another mighty angel (messenger) come down from heaven

…3) And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. (Now the loud voice was not a lions roar, it was a loud voice as when a lion roars. So this evidently is not the lion, the tribe of Judah. But it utters evidently with the same strength and the same words of the lion. (Lee Vayle  Rapture   Rapture #4).

 

E.O.D.H. Answer: This is a heresy and in direct opposition to what was taught by the prophet. He said:

 

REVELATION 10; HE COMES AS THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH

 

Quote W.M.B.: 207 The seven and last one of these seals, when they're opened, is found in Revelations the 10th chapter; there was a mighty Angel (which was Christ) came down and put one foot on the land and one on the sea.

…The last one of them is Revelations 10, foot on land and on sea; time had run out; redemption is over; now He comes in as the Lion. He was a Lamb then; now He comes in as Lion of the tribe of Judah. (Rev. Chap 5 Part 2 61-0618)

 

The scripture says that the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. Here in Revelation 10: 1 He stands with the open book in His hand.

 

 

Heretical Article No. 758: The rapture is in a threefold manner.

 

Quote Dr. Lee Vayle: …and the Seventh Seal, that was to be broken to the public. That was in a three-fold manner. Now you tell me if the Rapture is not in a three fold manner.

"Well, I don't know if I've got the right to compare it that close, but I'm just interested in knowing." I'm interested in knowing, if it wasn't on December 4, 1965 that the Seventh Seal was broken to the public. At least the tremendous revelation of the Rapture was part of the Seventh Seal. (Lee Vayle  Rapture   Rapture #3).

 

E.O.D.H. Answer: No Brother Vayle, the rapture is not in a threefold manner, you don’t have a right to compare it with the 7th seal’s three folds. There is no scripture or quotation which says that. This is to pervert the message. The coming of the Lord is in three phases, the seventh seal is in a threefold manner, but the rapture is not. We shall be caught up to meet him in the air, period! Other scriptures are to be fulfilled prior to the rapture-the catching away, but cannot be termed folds of the rapture.

 

If we are interested in knowing about the seventh seal, we should obey the instructions of the prophet. He said not to make any isms on the seventh seal, go on and live a Christian life, be humble; don’t interpret anything, go on with the plain message; and if we would know anything God would send it. Your suggestion is an “ism”. Let us obey the prophet. Humble your heart sir.

 

DON’T MAKE ANY ISM; IT ISN’T OPENED

 

Quote W.M.B.: 577-1 {400} And now, if this tape would happen to fall into the hands of some persons somewhere, don't try to make any kind of an "ism" out of it. The only thing you do, you just continue serving God, because this great secret is so great that God wouldn't even let John write it. It thundered out, but He... knowing that... promising us that it would be opened, but to this time, it isn't opened. (The Seventh Seal 63-0324E).

 

Quote: 459-5 {16} And so, but if the--the church here not supposed to know these things, so don't put no interpretation to anything. See? You just go ahead and just remember what you're told; live a Christian life. Go to your church, be a real light wherever you are, and just burn for Christ, and tell the people that how you love Him. And just let your testimony be with love all the time with the people (See?), 'cause if you don't you twist yourself out into something there, and then you're--you're off the beaten track.

See, every-time you try to do it, you've done that. See? So just don't--don't--don't try to make no interpretation. And especially tonight, when that Seal becomes up in front of you. See? Just don't try to interpret it. You just go ahead and just be humble and go right on with the same plain message. Now you say, "Brother Branham, is that... we, being the Church of the Living God, shouldn't we..."

Well, as I was trying... Look here, I want to say... Say, "Why can't I? I ought to have..."

No, no. I... Don't... You remember, I'm saying this for your good. See, I'm saying it so that you'll understand. If you believe me now, listen to what I tell you. See, see? (QA. On The Seals 63-0324M).

 

 

                Heretical Article No. 759: The seventh seal (coming of Christ) was broken to the public in a threefold manner of shout voice and trumpet.

 

Quote Dr. Lee Vayle: Now, nineteen years roughly had gone by, almost exactly seven months had gone by when Bro. Branham started preaching, bringing that out in 1946 to 1965, when he preached the final message which, in my estimation, was the Seventh Seal revealed to the public-the Coming. And remember. He said that Rev 10:l-7 was the Seventh Seal. What are you going to do about it? And he said, "Rev 10:7 was here at the same time that Rev 10:l was." It was in a three-fold manner made public-Shout, Voice, Trumpet; and God reveals His Word by manifesting It. (Lee Vayle  Rapture   Rapture #4).

 

E.O.D.H. Answer: This is erroneous. Dr. Vayle is propagating that the prophet opened the seventh seal in 1963 and it started in secret. Let him show us where he ever said that the three folds of the seventh seal are the shout, voice and trumpet. When the trumpet sounds, the dead in Christ shall arise and the rapture will follow. The prophet spoke only of one fold. Two other folds were kept secret. It was hidden in the 7 thunders. That was not revealed.  

 

I WILL SPEAK TO YOU OF A FOLD OF IT

 

Quote W.M.B.: 557-3 {245} And now, as certain as I stand in the platform tonight, I had the revelation that revealed... It's in a threefold manner. That, I will speak to you by God's help of a fold of it. And then you... Let's go over there first. Here's the revelation to begin what... I want to tell you what it is. What happens is that those seven thunders that he heard thunder and was forbidden to write, that's what the mystery is laying behind those seven consecutive thunders rolling out.

Now, why? Let us prove it. Why? It is the secret that no one knows about. John was forbidding to write about it, even, even write a symbol about it. (The seventh seal 63-0324E).



ADDITIONAL HERESIES OF DR. VAYLE

 

The following are Dr. Vayle’s heresies, exposed by the Word of God and the message of the prophet; Malachi 4: 5-6.

 

Heretical Article No. 760: The Rapture is secret, and the Bride gets out of here one and two at a time.

 

Quote Dr. Vayle: You see, the Rapture is secret. And the Resurrection is secret to the Gentiles; so nobody really knows. And the Bride gets out of here one and two at a time. It’s very secret. (Rapture #2 Backgrounding: Secret Bride for a Secret Rapture September 25, 1983).

 

E.O.D.H. Answer: This heresy is pretty new, alarming and comical. The Bible said we shall all be caught up together to meet Him in the air. What nonsense is this big man talking about?

 

Quote W.M.B.:  203 Give me faith, O Lord, for a rapture. For, there will be two in the bed, and one will be taken, one left. Two will be in the automobile seat, and one will be taken and the other one be left. It's going to happen in a moment. (O Lord Just Once More 63-0628A).

 

Quote:  E-81    Oh, my. How the church ought to be waving Its hands in glory, thanking God, thanking God, any minute the change could come. For the Bible said it'd universal. Jesus said, "There will be two in the mill, grinding, I'll take one and leave one; two in the field, I'll take one and leave one; two in the bed," showed it'd be on both sides of the earth, while it's night on one side, be day on the other, "I'll take one and leave one." The rapture will be universal, and their bodies will be changed. (Abraham And His Seed After Him 61-0423).

 

I guess Dr. Vayle is indicating the scriptures of two in a bed, two in a field and grinding at the mill. But the Bible said, one was taken and the other left behind. Nowhere in the scripture nor the message even indicate this heresy. It’s a lie of the devil and is based upon another heresy that the rapture has started.

 

                Quote W.M.B.: 161    Oh, it's going to be a wonderful day, some morn, some of these times. To show you that the resurrection's going to be universal, "There'll be two in a field, and I'll take one; and two in a bed, and I'll take one." See, it'll be a night one place and daylight on the other side of the earth; it be a universal resurrection, that rapture. The trumpet of God shall sound, and every one of these, of this little church here, here, here, and even that little bunch that went through there, and come out here, here, here. (Smyrnaean Church Age 60-1206).

 

Quote: 716-141    The gathering of the people will be not clannish, for a group here. It'll be a universal resurrection gathering together, and the rapture will come the same way. (Questions And Answers 62-0527).

 

Quote: 935-60 "There will be two in the bed; I'll take one and leave one," the same moment, "There'll be two in the field; I'll take one and leave one," one on the dark side of the earth and one on the light side of the earth. See? It'd be a universal rapture. (Questions And Answers 64-0823).

 

 

                Heretical Article No. 761: The voice that followed the sign was the rapture message.

 

Quote Dr. Lee Vayle: P:51 [156] You're not blind people. You're sensible people. If I stood and said these things for prejudice...I don't... It's because it is Life. I'm responsible to God for saying it. I must say it. And my Message... And all the time knowing back there under healing and so forth, was to catch the people's attention, knowing the Message would come. And here it is.

He tells you, "Here it is: the Message to come. And here it is." Therefore, he's talking about what? The Rapture. He's talking about the Shout. (Lee Vayle  Rapture   Rapture #11)

 

E.O.D.H Answer: This is gross error and misrepresentation of what the prophet is saying in the quotation below. The prophet is saying that the message that was to follow the sign came forth at the opening of the seals.

 

Quote W.M.B.: 156 You're not blind people. You're sensible people, and if I stood here and said those things for prejudice... I say it because it's Life, because I'm responsible to God for saying it. And I must say it. And my Message... All the time knowing back there under healing and so forth like that, was just to catch the people's attention, knowing the Message would come. And here it is. And them Seven Seals opened, those mysteries and showing those things is what's happened. (The Rapture 65-1204).

 

Quote: 262    Notice the very day when this messenger, not when he starts on the, but when he begins to declare his Message. See? The First Pull, healing; Second Pull, prophesying; Third Pull, the opening of the Word, the mysteries revealed. No more... There's no more higher order to reveal the Word than prophets. But the only way the prophet can be a-vindicated is by the Word. And remember the Third Pull was the opening of them Seven Seals to reveal the hidden Truth that's been sealed in the Word. (Anointed Ones 65-0725M).

 

Quote: 201  And then He promised in the hour of the seventh angel's Message, the Seven Seals would be revealed; and the mysteries of God would be declared (Revelations 10) when the seventh angel begins to sound his Message, not the healing service, the Message that follows the healing service. (I Have Heard But Now I see 65-1127E).

 

 

Heretical Artcile No. 762: The ushering in of the millennium is now. I am in it.

 

Quote Dr. Lee Vayle: P:25 There's nothing that hasn't started here now. Or I ask you in the name of my God, where is the entering in, or the ushering in of the Millennium? "Oh, Bro. Vayle, that's down the road." I beg to disagree with you. It is now, and I am in it! Oh, I know they're going to cover up and say, "Well, the Seventh Seal wasn't open." Maybe to them it wasn't. It's fine by me. You have it your way. (Lee Vayle  Paradox   Paradox #3).

 

E.O.D.H. Answer: This is an old heresy that the prophet had to deal with while he was alive. We excuse Dr. Vayle. He seems to be more than a little bit confused.

 

MILLENNIUM GOING ON NOW – NO - CONFUSED

 

Quote W.M.B.: 516-2  {351}    A man running up here the other day from North Carolina, just before we left, he said, "Glory to God. Can you tell me where some great somebody was?"  And I said, "No." …He said, "Well, where's the millennium at?" I said, "I don't know." He said, "Why, ... You mean it's going on right here and you don't know it?" And I said, "No, sir, I don't." And he said, "Well, glory to God," said, "I got some--some friends that come, told me," and said, "I quit work;" still had his work clothes on. Said, "Brother, I want the millennium." And I said, "Well, I--I believe you're just a little bit confused, aren't you, brother?

…Said, "What did... You say your name was, Branham?" I said,... "And you don't know nothing about the millennium?" I said, "Well, ... No, I don't." I said, "I don't understand it just right in the Bible." He said, "No, it's right now. People's come from everywhere." I said, "Where's it at?" He said, "Jeffersonville, Indiana, right under the bridge." (QA.On The Seals 63-0324M).