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STATURE OF A PERFECT MAN NEW BIRTH & BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST
Questions Nos. 634 to 646


CHAPTER TWENTY-FOUR


Question # 634: What is the difference of the 1906 outpouring and the outpouring of the Spirit before the rapture?


E.O.D.H. Answer: The outpouring, which they received in 1906; was the 'rain falling on the just and the unjust'; but the final quickening and outpouring of the Holy Spirit is the fullness. This is what the Bride is waiting on; without this she cannot go in the Rapture, as the outpouring of 1906 cannot qualify anybody for the Rapture. That was an outpouring of the spirit, without the word. On the day of Pentecost it came to the Word.

Quote W.M.B.: 377-2 "This age started just after the turn of the twentieth century. As it was to be the age in which the true church would return to being the bride she was at Pentecost, we know that there must of necessity be a return of dynamic power. The believers sensed this in their spirits and began crying to God for a new outpouring such as was in the first century. What seemed to be the answer came as many began to speak in tongues and manifest gifts of the Spirit. It was then believed that this was indeed the long awaited RESTORATION. It was not, for the latter rain can come only after the former rain which is the spring or TEACHING rain. The latter rain, then, is the HARVEST rain.
How could this be the real thing when the Teaching Rain had not come? The Prophet-Messenger who was to be sent to TEACH the people and turn the hearts of the children back to the Pentecostal fathers had not yet come. Thus what was thought to be the restoration and the final quickening unto the rapture had not come.
In it was a mixture of the unrighteous partaking of Spiritual blessing and manifesting in the Holy Ghost as we have kept pointing out to you. In it also was devil power as men were under the control of devils, yet no one seemed to realize it. Then, to prove that it was not the REAL, these people (even before a second generation had appeared) organized, and wrote their unscriptural doctrines and built their own fences as every other group ahead of them did.
…But what about the true seed? It will happen just as we have said. The people of God are being made ready by the Word of Truth from the messenger to this age. In her will be the fulness of Pentecost for the Spirit will bring the people right back to where they were at the beginning. That is "Thus saith the Lord." It is "Thus saith the Lord" for that is what Joel 2:23-26 says… The Lutheran Age did not restore the church; it started a reformation. The Wesleyan Age did not restore. The Pentecostal Age did not restore. But God has to restore for He cannot deny His Word. This is not the resurrection of the Church; it is the "Restoration". God will take the Church right back to Pentecost of the beginning." (Church Ages Book).


IT LOOKED LIKE THE RETURN OF PENTECOST BUT IT PROVED IT WASN'T

Quote W.M.B.: 363-3 "About the turn of the century the hunger for God that was generated in the Philadelphian Age brought a cry for the Spirit of God. And when the cry was answered by God sending forth manifestation in tongues, interpretation and prophecy…Oh, it looked good. It looked like the return of Pentecost. But it proved it wasn't. It could not be, for it organized. That is death, not life. It looked so close to the real that multitudes were deceived. Now if it wasn't the genuine." (Church Ages Book).

Brother Branham said we received enough of the Holy Ghost to stop us from lying, cursing and stealing, but we need the Holy Ghost to fill every fibre of our being.

Quote W.M.B.: 189 "I'm persuaded that many of us, friends, have received the Holy Ghost, but we just receive enough Holy Ghost in us to make us to a place where we don't want to lie, we don't want to steal, we don't want to do anything. But God wants to fill every fiber of His church." (Oneness 62-0211).


Question # 635: "What is the difference between the Holy Ghost baptism and being born again?"


E.O.D.H. Answer: Brother Branham stated in many places, that the New Birth and the Baptism of the Holy Ghost are two separate, different experiences: Quotations are as follows:

Quote W.M.B.: 37 "And the new birth, as people talks that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is the new birth. Now, that's wrong. The baptism of the Holy Ghost is different from the new birth. The new birth is when you're born again. But the Holy Ghost is when power comes into that birth for service. That's exact. See?" (Countdown 62-0909).

Quote: 114 "And borned again does not necessarily mean now that you got the Holy Ghost. Now, remember. Now, many teach that. "I don't know anybody that teaches it like this," as old Brother Arganbright said the other night from the pulpit here. See? But new birth is not the baptism of the Holy Spirit. The Scripture doesn't support it, I don't think (See?), to my way of seeing it. See? (Key to the Door 62-1007).

Our precious Brother Vayle, we can see from the following quotations, that he was not too clear, and in full agreement with scriptural doctrines taught by Brother Branham, even at the time of the editing of the Church Ages Book. It's possible that Brother Vayle has changed his misconception since that time, being now more matured in the Word. His rebaptism only took place in 1963, after the Church Ages were preached, and also the seals. Any person that loves Brother Vayle as we do, could very well understand that he did his best as a theologian, trying to edit a new message of Elijah the Prophet, and some of his theology would have unintentionally been injected into the great and elaborate messages of the Church Ages. That does not give anybody the authority to establish other vital doctrines based upon such misconceptions, since they are inconsistent with the teachings and revelation of the prophet.

Quote W.M.B.: 194 "Brother Lee Vayle, if you get ahold of this, here it is. That's the only question we disagree on; he believes the church will go through the judgment. I don't see it. I don't believe it." (Oneness 11/2/62).

Quote: "Brother Lee Vayle was just here today. I baptized him today in the baptismal service here today." (Paul a Prisoner 17/7/63).

Quote: "Brother Vayle has spoke a many time ahead of me in the meetings, and--and so forth. He had managed the meetings for a long time, and a fine brother, done a swell job." (Humble Thyself 14/7/63).

Quote: "Brother Lee and I did everything we could, and give the ministerial association a breakfast free, just to come down and speak to them. Brother Lee Vayle, of course, is a scholar and a Doctor of Divinity. He really earned his degree."( Look Away To Jesus 29/12/63).

In the Church Ages Book (Edited Version), page 139 onward, the doctrine says that the New Birth and the Baptism of the Holy Ghost are one and the same. That is contrary to the Word of God. It is not the same thing, Jesus was first born right. Thirty years after that, He got the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. The Apostles were born again before. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24). That same group went up to Pentecost for the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. That is a Baptist doctrine that says when you believe you receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. That is contrary to the Word of God. There are one or two deadly seeds, which got away in the Church Ages.


Question # 636: "Is St. John 5:24 the new birth?: 'He that heareth my words and believes Him that sent me has passed from death unto life.'"


E.O.D.H. Answer: Yes, only when the believer hears by revelation and receive the Spirit of Christ.

Quote W.M.B.: "Now, before you've receive the Holy Ghost, you are believing unto Eternal Life. But you do not have Eternal Life until you receive the Holy Ghost, 'cause It is Eternal Life. The Holy Ghost is God; It's God's Life in you. Then you got Eternal Life. Do you understand that now?" (Questions and answers COD 59-1223 P:86).

Quote: E-18 "Now, for instances when a man gets saved, he's just about like... The Light that comes into him is about like this little white button on my shirt. That's when God comes into the inner part of a man. In the inner part of a man or... A man is made up in the system of a tabernacle: in the outer courts, then holy place, and the holiest of holies; the Shekinah glory on the inside, the veil." (The Messiah 61-0117).

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life…He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (John 3:16, 36).

Quote W.M.B.: "The new birth is Christ, is a revelation. God has revealed to you this great mystery, and that's the new birth." (Christ is the mystery 63-0728 P:124).

Quote: "You say, "Well, Brother Branham, what is the new birth?" It is the revelation of Jesus Christ personally to you." (Christ is the mystery 63-0728 P:120).

Quote: "The baptism of the Holy Ghost is a different act from the new birth. One is a birth; one is a baptism. One brings you Eternal Life; the other one gives you power. It gives power into Eternal Life (See?) to operate." (QA Hebrews part 2 COD 57-1002 P:30).


Question # 637: "I know that there is a difference between the baptism of the Holy Ghost and the new birth. When I preached this, a brother challenged me before the whole group that it is the same, and quoted from the Church Ages. My question is that if quotes are in the messages of WMB, why are they not consistent with his teaching, or are they not found on tape at all? If WMB said it, why did he say two different things on the same doctrine?"


E.O.D.H. Answer: Yes, they are two different subjects. Brother Branham said that many places in his message on the tapes, "Countdown", "Ye must be born again etc." The teaching on the C/ages, page 144, cannot be found on the Church Ages tapes nor any part of Brother Branham's message. Brother Branham said that the new birth is different from the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Quote W.M.B.: "See? And the new birth, as people talks that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is the new birth. Now, that's wrong. The baptism of the Holy Ghost is different from the new birth. The new birth is when you're born again. But the Holy Ghost is when power comes into that birth for service. That's exact. See? The Holy Ghost is--baptized into the Holy Ghost". {Countdown 1962}.

Quote: 129 "I never thought there was a person believed that like me till this morning, I heard Charles Fuller as I was going down. He believes too, that the new birth is not the baptism of the Holy Ghost. The new birth is being born. The Holy Ghost is the baptism." (Why Against Organized Religion 62-1111e).

The teachings of Dr. Vayle, on the new birth and seven thunders, cannot be found on the tapes of Brother Branham, throughout 1150 tapes. Not only that, but it contradicts the teachings of Brother Branham as you can notice above on the New birth. Brother Branham said that whoever teaches that is wrong, and on the seventh seal Brother Branham made it clear that the seventh seal/seven thunders were not revealed to him. You may find quotes where Brother Branham spoke in the affirmative that he was expecting that revelation. But always remember when he came to that subject matter in 1963, he emphatically stated that it was not revealed to him and was consistent in his teachings until he died. The seventh seal is yet to be revealed to the public.


Question #638 : "Who is born again?"


E.O.D.H. Answer: 
"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him." (1John 5:1).

Quote W.M.B.: "The new birth is Christ, is a revelation. God has revealed to you this great mystery, and that's the new birth." (Christ Is The Mystery 63-0728 P:124).

A born again believer will have an understanding of the coming outpouring of the Holy Ghost as it was on the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2 which is our promise today.
"There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:1-3)
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"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1John 3:9).
If you have unbelief in the coming outpouring of the Holy Ghost as it was on the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2, it is an evident sign that you are not born again, for 1 John 3:9 says 'whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin.' Sin here, is unbelief, unbelief in the promise of the hour.
"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith." (1John 5:4).
Whosoever is born of God overcometh the world-loses the desires of the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life.
"Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God." (1John 4:7).
Everyone that loveth is born of God. If you are born of God you cannot hate your brother, for hate will be removed from your heart and love will increase for one another. "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him." (1John 5:1).
The world is darkness, unbelief is darkness, and hate is darkness. A person cannot live in those and say that he is born again.


Question # 639: "How to be born again?"


E.O.D.H. Answer: 
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." (1Peter 1:23).

Quote W.M.B.: "False teachers will bring false births. True prophets will bring the Word, the birth of the Word, Christ. False prophets will bring false birth, the birth of churches, the birth of creeds, the birth of denominations…
…False keep enough of the true to make a form of godliness. And listen, now I'm saying something here; I want you to listen. Them kind of false conceptions (You know what a false conception is?) lead millions of people to a false birth." (You must be born again 61-1231M P:92).

Some preachers preach that the born again experience is to believe the Message of the Hour, that William Branham is a prophet, and that the seven virtues are the seven thunders. We do not believe that conception. That conception is not the born again experience. The born again experience isn't that William Branham is a prophet of God; no, that is not the born again experience.

"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him." (1John 5:1).
When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." (Matthew 16:13-16).

Quote W.M.B.: "You say, "Well, Brother Branham, what is the new birth?" It is the revelation of Jesus Christ personally to you. Amen." (Christ Is The Mystery 63-0728 P:120).

Quote: "The new birth is Christ, is a revelation. God has revealed to you this great mystery, and that's the new birth." (Christ Is The Mystery 63-0728 P:124).

Before a man could even think of being born again he must find the incorruptible seed.
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1John 3:9).
Emotionalism, crying and shaking is not the born again experience.

Quote W.M.B.: "What the birth is, the new birth. First, to die, in order to be born again... And if you still got the things of the world in you, you're not born again. And how you going to claim to be born again and still with the things of the world hanging on you?" (You Must Be Born Again 61-1231M P:56).

Quote: "Born Christians grow into the statute of Christ as they live. They're borned again, and their lives begin to shape like a baby. It takes form and begins to grow." (You Must Be Born Again 61-1231M P:114).


Question # 640: "Please explain the Stature of a Perfect Man with main emphasis on the born again experience, faith, and the capstone of love?"


E.O.D.H. Answer: I can see that your thinking on the born again experience, stature of a perfect man and the capstone is scripturally separated, even like Brother Branham had it outlined on the messages named "countdown", "ye must be born again", "Hebrew book" etc. That makes it easy for me to answer this question in few words, with the others. On "Stature", Brother Branham stated that the believer is born again by faith at the bottom of the pyramid.

Quote W.M.B.: 18-2 "Notice: you must be borned again. And when you're born again, you can't be born again without having faith. That's right. So, you see on my chart here, I got the very foundation. Faith is the foundation of all of it." (Stature Of A Perfect Man 62-1014m).

That is one experience, then he begins to grow in the Lord and put on the virtues, then he receives the capstone, love, charity, the fullness of the Spirit.


Question # 641: "When do we get that love, (partially before the third pull and fullness or entirely) at the headstone outpouring of the Holy Ghost like the day of Pentecost?"


E.O.D.H. Answer: When we speak of Love: "Agapao", it's Divine Love. We receive a measure of that Love when we are born again. With that Love we love them that are born again and other people.

"Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God." (1 John 4:7)
"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him." (1 John 5:1).

But the full measure of Love comes by the Headstone or Capstone, which is one and the same. Jesus possessed that and also Stephen at his death manifested that, like his Lord. It came by the outpouring on the day of Pentecost to the early church. On Brother Branham's pyramid diagram, he placed "Love" with the capstone.

Quote W.M.B.: 45-5 "Next thing then add charity, which is love. That's the capping stone. One of these days in the church." (Stature Of A Perfect Man 62-1014m).


Question # 642: "At what stage of the Stature of a Perfect Man, will a man be worthy to minister the Word, now before the Bride's revival?"


E.O.D.H. Answer: There are two main factors in this question: Ministering the word, which involves a divine call from God, and the stature. First a man must know by revelation that God has called him. A person can have the virtues, but is not qualified to handle the word, being not called and qualified in other respects (Romans 10, 1 Timothy 3). However, if a call in his life is settled, a man must be born again before he can preach the Word. If he is not, he has no revelation {Matthew 16}.

Quote: E-40 "He said, "Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, Simon Peter," when he confessed Him to be the Lord…When God has revealed to you by the Holy Spirit, not by theology, not by mental thinking, but by the actual birth of the Holy Spirit, that Jesus Christ raised from the dead, you have Eternal Life. That's the revelation." (Jesus Christ The Same 55-0806).

Therefore the position in the pyramid in which a called minister is allowed to preach is at faith, until he becomes a true witness by the capstone. Notice that Jesus allowed the apostles to preach, but later he said tarry in Jerusalem etc., then shall ye be my witnesses (Acts 1, Matthew 10 and Luke 10).


Question #643: "At what stage of the stature do we enter the third pull and bride's revival?"


E.O.D.H. Answer: The third pull is manifested when the WCC boycott comes upon the church.

Quote W.M.B.: 6-1 "… the third pull has now been vindicated…But it will not be used in a great way, until this council begins to tighten up. And when that does... when that time comes, when the squeeze comes down, then you'll see what you have seen temporarily, be manifested in the fullness of its power." (Look away to Jesus63-1229E).

We manifest third pull power only after we receive the Capstone Love. This is evident from Brother Branham's message, Stature of a Perfect Man. He said we become power houses for God and living tabernacles after we possess these virtues and the Capstone comes upon us.


Question # 644: "At what stage of the stature a person has that measure of the Holy Ghost that Brother Branham referred to, while the headstone is coming?"


E.O.D.H. Answer: They have that measure of Spirit at the born again experience by faith.


Question # 645: "In that measure of the Holy Ghost, what does the bride have as regards ministry, gifts, power, vindication and placing etc?"


E.O.D.H. Answer: They are called as the five-fold ministry, they can manifest certain gifts of power, but it is not perfect without charity.
"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing… Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away." (1 Corinthians 13: 1-2, 8).

Quote W.M.B.: 22-3 "And now, as in the individuals, these virtues and things are (knowledge and temperance)--is added to our faith, then when the Capstone comes, the Holy spirit cements it together; There's the baptism of the Holy Spirit. That's why it's so short today." (Blasphemous Names 62-1104m).


Question # 646: "At what stage of the stature will such be manifested?"


E.O.D.H. Answer: This is a question similar to one above. Such manifestations of placing of the sons with dynamic power take place only at the coming of the Headstone.

Quote: 47 Now, and in the Bible, we're living in the last days, the top of the pyramid…in the time of the coming of the Leo the lion, in the capping Stone, and in the days of the manifestation of the sons of God in the Bible." (Manifested Sons Of God 60-0518).

Quote: 19 "Now, the world and nature is groaning, crying; everything's a moving what? For the manifestation of the sons of God, when true sons, born sons, filled sons speak and their word is backed. I believe we're on the border of it right now. Yes, sir. Say to this mountain, let it be so.
"Brother, I--I desire so-and-so, a certain thing done. I'm a believer in Jesus Christ." "I give it to you in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ." Amen. There's a manifestation. "Oh, brother, my crops are burning up out yonder. I haven't had any rain." "I'll send you a rain in the Name of the Lord God...?... bless your crop." Oh, waiting, groaning, all nature, waiting for the manifestations of the sons of God." (Adoption Pt.4 60-0522e).

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